This version of Fate is also possessed by the essence of Nabu in the helmet whenever he dons it. DarkseidALE 1 y 11 mo 4 d Doctor Fate vs Darkseid # Darkseid Darkseid crushes the helm of fate in his hands superman did it before He has fought gods and celestials, he has reality warped on a major scale, he is stated as being indestructible /unable to be destroyed. It was ended when Green Arrow put an arrow through the book of power of the ancient mage. There are Two versions of Dr fate with the name Kent Nelson. Tough fight but leaning towards Darkseid. Battle 8. To me it looks like they run like so: Scan 2: Darkseid attacks Linda and misses. But these have never been powers of the Helm at all. Okay, so Desaad obviously had a lot of prep in this instance, and access to pretty good technology, which could at least provide some excuse for his showing, but it is still well beyond his normal capabilities (without tech, Desaad probably loses to most street level characters). © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. No, DS does not attack Erik again until he uses the stone hand on both the Fates. Email to friends Share on Facebook - opens in a new window or tab Share on Twitter - opens in a new window or tab Share on Pinterest - … For most of JSA he was only in cameo's and he really didn't make much of a splash. Round 2: Post-crisis, in-character. Deadpool vs Deathstroke- Draw He was already bed-ridden as of the beginning of issue 9, and it is mentioned many times throughout those 4 issues, and seemed to be a fairly significant plot point. Unless you can point out a line to me that I've been missing, I'm pretty sure the Parademons had nothing to do with it, and he was already barely functional before Darkseid even showed up. Erik gets shot once, but that just gets him to Apokolips, and he was severely ill anyway. he did this to be able to access the power not just of Order (through the Helm of Nabu) or of chaos (through his amulet of Anubis) but also the power of human emotion. Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate vs Darkseid & Thanos # Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate He destroyed the in-betweener, beat Eternity and became one with him, he could Handel zom when zom was waaay above Dormammu, he deflected a … Personally, I think the simplest response to that issue is that Nabu =/= Fate. ). Who will win in a fight between Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate and Trigon & Darkseid? Captain America Vs Nightwing. All I can say is in the issues I read, which are like a half-dozen, she didn't seem especially proficient or confident in her powers, and from what I can tell, she first became Dr. In comics, a doppleganger (Desaad) of Darkseid has already defeated not … Although, what I find more confusing about your statement about him living for a while afterwards is that he's actually dead at the end of the issue, killed by a spear to the side, and he even has a grave and tombstone in the next issue, and Linda goes to the after life to talk to his spirit. Darkseid also has a lot of powers. Fate? If a more powerful, more experienced version of fate couldn't defeat an underling of Darkseid ( and they couldn't they convinced him to have mercy on them- =/= a win) and his lowly para demons, how is Kent V supposed to?? Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate vs Darkseid & Thanos # Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate He destroyed the in-betweener, beat Eternity and became one with him, he could Handel zom when zom was waaay above Dormammu, he deflected a … Cookies help us deliver our Services. Battle 6. As you can see the fact that the power of a Lord of order in a human form has weaknesses that a spirit doesn't also means that the energy form of Nabu who fought Spectre would be stronger than Fate. Though his mortal host Kent Nelson tries to fight back. It is mentioned several times that if only one of them becomes Fate at a time, they are a much weaker Fate than they should be, but I guess that is a relative statement. He was ten when his father found Nabu's tomb in the early 1920's. The 1st. Though it depends on which Fate we're talking. She shoots and hits. In fact, I'm pretty sure I mentioned that he looked okay, but Darkseid missing and then being struck twice does not constitute a victory for him in any way. Fate). In the issue prior he defeated Erik (who at that point didn't have a fever) and had him at his mercy. 3) That part is irrelevant anyway; Adam Warlock has told Eternity to "begone" to his face... does that mean Adam Warlock is on Eternity's level? Yeah, dude as I was saying earlier I never said Fate would win, just perhaps give him a rough time for a while. A Darkseid doppleganger has already defeated not one but two Dr fates and they couldn't prevail. Defeating a never before heard from demon ( and never heard again) defeating Lady Blaze, and bringing a soul back from the afterlife ( which by all accounts almost killed him, and Inza Fate accomplished the same with Consummate ease). I think there may be some confusion here. Fate who are wise and just, this version is bitter, cynical and has utterly lost faith in humanity and the other heroes, as have the Lords of Fate. Honestly though, it seems like kind of bad writing to me (assuming that's what was actually going on). Right before the Saga where the fourth Reich take over the world he left to get training in his power. How would the current Fate with less showings less experience and less power fare against the real deal. @DcMarvelUnity: 1.Helm of Naboo is supposed to be superbad.2. The two of them together access the same power to exact levels Kent V does and between them at that point had several times the experience he has. With Hector he created the child and put hector spirit in it than aged it etc. In fact with her time in the merged Fate and access to the entity that is fate she was vastly more experienced. Again, not saying she is "winning" because of this, but he certainly isn't either. In the case of the Original Nabu altered Kent Nelson turning him from a child to a man and making him never age and giving him the powers. Seriously if we want to talk feats for Kent V Nelson Dr fate vs Darkseid it becomes a slaughter stomp. Fate, Darkseid's storngest avatars, and others. Faust was taken over by a powerful mystic (stated as a said the reason he waited for someone like Faust). Which is fine, and I don't think I ever said otherwise, I just don't think that a single retconned, PIS instance that didn't even involve the right characters and wasn't even being presented properly, should be brought up as the be-all-end-all of this battle. Scans 4-6 are the Fates having a hard time fighting off a pack of Parademons. Thanos vs Darkseid- Darkseid wins unless Thanos has the IG. Strange Vs. Darkseid. Pre COIE it was a thing in DC that a mage couldn't use a host and work magic unless the host could work magic. Trust me as someone who's collection is only missing about 7 of Dr Fates appearances (that includes golden Age with heaps of more fun comics and All Star). He shoots and misses. Which, funnily enough, actually helps the retcon make a little more sense, since Desaad isn't actually a very powerful character. he's also a Dr fate fan but a Darkseid one as well so he'd be the most informed on both and the least biased. The female Fate was stated to be at half power, and from what I can tell from the previous issues, was still quite new to being Fate and not particularly masterful or confident in her abilities. Like most incarnations of the DC hero, he is made up of two individuals, a human host, namely Kent Nelson, and the god Nabu. There are possibly five showings of "classic Fate" that could be considered higher if you exclude the merged Kent Inza ( which is where the whole concept of Erik Linda came from). He could even work vast magic in the valley of power (Nabu's tomb) just as he could in his Salem Tower, without the Helm. 1.The Helm itself is not "superbad" it merely allows the wearer to draw power from the Lords of Order. As a fan of Dr Fate not Darkseid most of the scans i have saved are to show him looking good (which is the way I usually use them). He knows the world will end—either by Brainiac’s hand, or in a war between Batman and Superman. The Presence was the only thing preventing the Spectre from killing Darkseid; had it not been around to regenerate Darkseid, Spectre would have killed him right there. Omega Sanction: Probably one of the most disastrous effects the Omega Effect can give. It's also stated he had had it for weeks when Nelson reveals that his illness is actually a side-effect of his accelerated aging, and that Erik is actually dying from it. He may not use them regularly enough to be considered in-character but he does have them. For me Fate would give him a hell of a fight but he can't win. So basically, before the retcon, we had a PIS low-showing for Darkseid, and after the retcon, we have a PIS high-showing for Desaad. Scan 3: Text states that Darkseid is "stunned" and "shaken," and views her as a threat. Like I said, I think a lot of people make assumptions about the Nelson Dr. When both Linda or Erik form Fate alone they have the same level of power. During the Straus Fate run. The rest (except 7th - a mistake) from various tellings of his origin. Based on how comics tend to go, Darkseid. As has been shown Odin is in another league above darkseid and Fate is around equal to strange. Doctor Fate, real name Kent Nelson, was a fierce and powerful sorcerer who became a member of the Justice League after the Thanagarian invasion. The real Darkseid has dictated terms to the combined Lords of Order and Chaos (of which Fate is but 1). During the Straus Fate run. Now, I don't really know how they compare to Kent Nelson as Fate, since these are the only issues I've seen of them, but between the sickness, split power, and inexperience, I would assume that he is a vastly more formidable version of Fate. Since Nabu is the source of Fate's power that not a great comparison. When Superman came to his friend to ask for his help, Fate refused, stating that he had become weary of the never-ending battle. So he used to need the helmet but has learned to go it without. Plus, this isn't actually a fight to the death, and DS can definitely be defeated, so it shouldn't be an issue anyway. Dr. Could go either way with a slight edge to the LT. Battle 7. For the next few pages he was being trounced by parrademons and then DS again. Dr Doom vs Lex Luthor- Lex Luthor . Nabu however isn't Dr fate. Non magic characters have power to a certain limit and that's it. But you know, both are key characters especially Darkseid as a villian so obviously they won't kill him off. ... 25 Darkseid (DC) Jack Kirby invented the evil tyrant Darkseid nearly 50 years ago, and the villain still remains a fan-favorite today. Superhero battle match: Darkseid (New 52) versus Doctor Fate. The comment about Spectre being unable to kill Darkseid came at the end of your original post, right after you said, "For me Fate would give him a hell of a fight but he can't win." By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. After casting him aside like chaff Erik was then easily taken by a band of parademons. cmon man, you know fate wasn't winning this six months ago, why you bump it now? Doctor Fate Vs Superman And Martian Manhunter! Absolutely, which I already covered in the simple line " According to the laws of Magic in the 9th age (DC) mortal mystics could only draw power through the Lords of Order and Chaos, talismans, or familiars,". It's from the previous issue, and actually, that blast knocked him over as well. Erik wasn't Dying ( he lived for quite some time afterward, and was rebirthed into a new magical life form to save humanity at the end of the Straus Run), Linda was no less a neophyte than Kent V has been in every showing he's had. The book is in NM- 9.2 condition. 1) Even with the retcon, it was not an avatar, it was Desaad. Erik was shown to be very ill for several issues, and it was stated by Nabu that he was dying. Rounds end in death or incapacitation, No BFR. Of course, it isn't a particularly good showcase of Darkseid's power either, and with it being retconned to Desaad anyway, it loses a lot of its relevance. You are indeed where you belong. Classic fate would wipe the floor with him. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Dr. Magic isn’t a weakness for Superman, anymore than it’s a weakness for Doctor Fate. All versions have had the power of strength, speed, flight, invulnerability and not aging without the Helm. Dr. He was voiced by Michael-Leon Wooley, who voiced the same character in Batman: The Brave and the Bold and Audrey II of the 2003 Broadway revival of Little Shop of Horrors. However, some believe that all Fate need do is show up and that’s it. Linda attacks again and knocks him off a ledge. Deadpool Vs Deathstroke. Like Batman said, if you need Darkseid taken care of use this phone number and call in Dr.Fate. The only places he could work vast magic in fact. Fate, but those scans do not look like a victory for Darkseid to me. According to the laws of Magic in the 9th age (DC) mortal mystics could only draw power through the Lords of Order and Chaos, talismans, or familiars, to draw the power through themselves would mean their destruction. It was actually retconned into being Desaad, not a doppelganger. Powerful sorcerer Kent Nelson wears the Helm of Fate and sees the fate of all mankind, for better or worse. Thor vs Green Lantern- Thor would win because hes stronger and has a better weapon. See, now this is a proper argument involving the proper character. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The Image in the OP wasn't classic Kent. I still can't describe how pissed off I am that the booted Fate to Earth 2. All it shows is political power, not personal power. This is largely basing it on the idea that a fully proficient Fate is at least roughly as learned and competent as Dr. Had been for at least 3-4 issues. Yeah, one of those things where I guess depending on the host and story determines who has more control or power I suppose. A doppelganger in modern vernacular only refers to any double or look-alike of a person not the traditional folklore meaning. I'd love to say it was anything but because I had DS and am a Fate fanboy but the facts are the facts. Characters Battles Teams Super Powers Forum Feed Collections. Otherwise, he only attacked once, but missed, while Darkseid himself was shot twice, but didn't seem all that hurt. Going intangible might not help against Omega Beams. Just how powerful is the helm of naboo? YJ is owned by WB and DC. According to issue 12, Erik had had the fever ever since he "got back from India." The preceding issues also gave me the impression that Linda was extremely new to being fate, and didn't even particularly want or like it. When writers want to prolong the story he never unleashes the kind of power we expect of him. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > Dr. He then trained him for almost 20 years in the ways of ancient sectrest before he had his debut. In all versions he can raise the dead, animate objects, warp reality etc. BTW, king saturn, that's the best AV ever. The tower exists in all realities. The 10th age still seems to have the same but there is now also a price for magic. You don't have the scan here, but on the next page, Linda shatters the hand. he can unleash an assault on a level that Dr Fate would need to build up to or entreat others to achieve. Frankly, the Parademons did far more damage to the Fates and presented a far greater threat than Desaad did. But that still means the helmet CAN provide those tools. Darkseid gets owned by the all-father who then proceeds to destroy Strange with the help of fate. Round 3: New52, in-character. To watch full episodes of YJ download the DCU App.Thanks for coming to my channel! If stalemating Desaad and being hard-pressed by perhaps 2 dozen parademons is really a legitimate showing for these Fates, and Nelson is weaker, then I am inclined to think Darkseid would completely slaughter-stomp him in a random encounter. Now, I'm not entirely sure just how powerful you are claiming Linda is supposed to be (i.e. Fate vs. Desaad" thread, just about everyone would say Fate stomps. Cap is clearly too much for Dick. Just about everything you mentioned was addressed. The two of them together access the same power to exact levels Kent V does and between them at that point had several times the experience he has.They were clearly at the mercy of Desaad at the end and only won through a plot device. The Tower of Fate was created as a home for the original Doctor Fate and has since been home to Inza and Hector. Lords of Magic like Dr.Fate and Mordru regularly humiliate large teams Darkseid would be hard-pressed to even take on, much less trash. DS was well in control and Fate pulled out a plot win by making DS feel mercy ( retconed to later not be DS). It contains many magical Egyptian artifacts. Nabu in his energy state has advantages that a physical Dr Fate doesn't. I want more. Actually Fate's feats across all version are quite consistent. Even before the plot device, it was more of a stalemate. Do I think Spectre's inability to destroy DS has any bearing on this match ? 2.Incorrect. Living Tribunal Vs Spectre. Going by what you're saying, it seems like this would only be true of the Silver Age Nelson, and the post-crisis incarnation is actually much more puny than most people probably think. The other common assumption to me seems to be that Kent Nelson is kind of viewed as being the quintessential Dr. The only thing Darkseid actually did to them was use the stone hand, but Linda broke it pretty quickly. I'll take your word for it. 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